When I saw that there was an oral history, Under The Big Black Sun (2016) written by John Doe, I was excited to read it. Once I started reading it and realized that it wasn't a biography of his band X per se, but an oral history of the early LA punk scene I soured somewhat. But once I got into it and read entries from people such as his ex-wife and band mate Exene Cervenka, Go Gos Jane Wiedlen and Charotte Caffey, Chris D., Henry Rollins, Mike Watt, and ex-Blaster and X member Dave Alvin among a host of other scenesters, musicians, journalists and the like I started to enjoy the history of the scene that included more than a few bands that I liked. This book captured what was great about it and why it was short-lived and what it became. The South Bay hardcore scene is what it became and it was scary, violent and a far cry from the variety and openness of the scene that included women, gays, and Chicanos. I became a fan of the the roots influenced bands that emerged from the scene-hardcore was never my cup of tea-but they explain how this happened and speculated on why it happened.